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, the fiscal cliff, jobs numbers, the state of the economy who better to talk about it than robert reich and current economics professor at the berkeley. let's talk about the numbers. on friday the surprisingly strong jobs numbers, 146,000 new jobs created. the unemployment rate 7.7%. we were expecting impact from superstorm sandy and earlier thanksgiving. what do these numbers say about the economy? >> apparently we are still struggling. they are not hugely wonderful numbers. i don't think that anyone should breathe a sigh of relief but we are undoubtedly moving in the right direction. early thanksgiving may have cancelled out negative effects of sandy. the bureau of statistics said sandy didn't have much of an affect in november. >> think we will see revisions next month. >> every month we are seeing reing visions and so far they have been downward. the revisions for october and september were both downward slightly. so i wouldn't be surprised if we see downward revisions coming up. >> the other big story is the fiscal cliff. can you help us read the tea leaves here? this week we heard
, fiscal cliff threatening the economy, but maybe not? we take it all up with moody's chief economist, and deutsche bank senior economist here next. stay with us. lou: you know, it may surprise some that december is historically the strongest month for investors. the s&p500 posting gains in december, 82% of the time since 1990. it's that 18% that should trouble folks, but are concerns with the fiscal cliff giving investors a reason to be less than optimistic? joining me is john, and carl, senior economist for deutsche bank. gentlemen, thank you for being here. start with the treasury secretary. the man in charge of our treasury is out telling everyone that the administration he works for is a part of is perfectly prepared to go over the fiscal cliff in order to raise a tax rate to 39.6%. does that make any sense to you? are you shocked, surprised? >> well, i guess i'm not surprised given we're in the early stages of the discussion, but for the economists and forecasters out there calling this is the fiscal slope, not a cliff or believe it's worthwhile to go over the cliff, it's not th
said the obama administration is now willing to go over the fiscal cliff. moody's chief economist, deutsche bank senior u.s. economist telling us just how much that will hurt the economy and the markets,nd, of course, investors and everyon in this country in today's money lineup, news on the economy brought life to wall street today inspiring some investors, the news an unexpectedncrease in factory orders up for a second straight month, and the biggest gains in productivity in the third quarter in two years. business activity, along with new orders, showing their biggest gains last month since the first quarter. stocks finished off their highs. the do up 83 appointmes at the close. the s&p gaining 2.25, and the nasdaq under the weight and prsure of the biggest stock, apple, dropping 23 points. volume today rising to alst 4%.2 billion shares. app 8 stock, as i said, today, laggerred and immense weight on e ma. that stock fell 6.5%, $37, and concerned about the lack of new products on the horizon, concern increased competition in the market might force apple to cut margins to remain
go off the fiscal cliff. our economy cannot sustain that and it cannot happen. >> when is the sausage done? >> the sausage will get done a couple of hours before christmas eve. they will keep them in the house until very late. they will put something through at the very end. it won't be pretty. it won't be a long-term solution, and my guess is they will put a bandaid long enough to get us to about february where we can have the same discussion when we hit the debt limit ceiling in february and do it all over again. >> debbie, what is your prediction on this? >> i think chip and i agree it will be the end of the year. i have told congressional spouses they should plan on their spouses working between christmas and new year's, and that's what the american people want. they are elected to govern and that's part of the job. >> do you agree with chip that it will be a temporary fix? >> i don't know. >> it will just take us into the new year, or will they do a grand bargain here? >> well, i think you could get a grand bargain, but i think you can't do the kind of detailed work that has got
the fiscal cliff, that the economy will see a contraction of a couple of percentage points. where are you on earnings for 2013, what are your expectations? >> maria, look at the s&p numbers, looking for a slow single digit percentage gains. for this period of the fourth quarter looking for gains in telecommunications and financials. i think the critical part, investors ought to be very keen just to weigh in the risk, you know, and the fact they had a very rewarding year in 2012, we were up about 12% on the s&p 500. earnings will be very much held captive by the fact that the uncertainty not only about the fiscal cliff but debt ceiling. >> very quickly, john, we're lose altitude in this market rapidly. what do you make of this, and what are you expecting to close here? >> just shows you how fragile our markets r.one comment out of washington can take profits off the table intraday. we'll hold on to our gains here. >> thanks, everybody. we appreciate it. where exactly do we stand in these fiscal cliff negotiations in the latest now from our john harwood, on your stomping ground. good to see
an affect on the economy, even though we have not even reached the point of the fiscal cliff, potentially kicking in, it is already affecting business investment and hiring decisions by creating uncertainty and pessimism, we see what happens to consumer sentiment which fell because of concerns about the fiscal cliff. this is a major risk factor and major source of uncertainty about the economy going forward. i would suspect, although the participants don't make this explicit, but what they are sitting in their projections is the fiscal cliff gets resolved and some intermediate way, there's still fiscal drag not flags by the entire fiscal cliff so that is the underlying assumption that most people took when they made their projections but you are absolutely right that they're a lot of uncertainty right now and the fiscal cliff situation to be resolved in a way different from expectations you would see changes in the forecast. [inaudible] >> thanks very much, mr. chairman. could you talk about whether the decision to maintain the purchase of $85 billion a month represents are ramping up of
or may not go over the fiscal cliff but regardless the economy has stalled and taxes are going up. i mean there is certainty. it is just not great certainty. >> you know, as a family-owned business after 91 years being in business we know that there's a business cycle. what we need to continue to advocate for as job creators is the virtue of free enterprise. we need to stand up for the principles that are going to allow us to provide our people employment, to create prosperity. we have to do that in a unified way because, even though the forecast can look bleak at different times, we have an incredibly resilient economy. great job create, out there given the chance which make a big difference. that is what we have to continue working on. melissa: jim, aren't you afraid of being punished either by the public or by the government for speaking out at this point? i mean i have talked privately to people on wall street who have said, you know, they feel like get pistol-whipped when they say anything against the administration. that it comes back to bite them. at this point it is better to keep
strategy to a slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. gerri: earlier i asked republican senator richard shelby of alabama for his take on the comments from boehner. >> i believe that speaker boehner is on the right track. the president has not come uptown now, been deeply involved, that we know about , in any of these offers are counteroffers. dealers said he has been campaigning to meet. but he has to get involved if he wants to avoid the fiscal cliff. i think that the speaker has indicated that he will try to engage in, try to meet him and try to avoid the fiscal cleft that the presiient is going to continue to say it is my way or the highway, that is another game. gerri: it is. harry reid today saying that the game is at chess game, and the republicans are the jets. here is harry reid. >> he has a problem. he has three quarterbacks. he cannot decide who the quarterback is going to be. that is the same problem republicans are having. romney is gone, but he is still in the background. we have mcconnell and boehner. who is the quarterback, mr. president? gerri
it matters to your point what happens with the fiscal cliff. the economy is at stalemate. unemployment, we look at jobs report tomorrow, is dismal. we're liking inflationary environment down the road. this is bad news. >> you could could make the argument invite blowing past short term helpful, long term payne full. melissa: spending cuts, tax hikes are very dramatic going over the cliff. when you look at numbers, still is like five to one raising taxes to cutting spending. >> that's right. melissa: no one is really talking about cutting spending. isn't that the first thing you would do? if your fiscal house was in such disarray, household at home, first thing you do is stop spending. no one is doing that. >> what scares me, is that point. whether you agree or disagree hiking taxes i am not a fan of it but i think it will come. we can get past this. charlie gasparino and i have argued this. one of the consequences of the election the president will probably get his way raising most rates. melissa: right. >> i'm not saying i'm a fan. let's get past that, let's make it happen. republicans re
a deliberate strategy to a slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. are you emotionally moved? do you think the nation is galvanized? >> i don't know if the nation is galvanized in the but i will be honest to my nervous about this. i view the clippers a genuine economic threat and a recipe for recession. we heard the secretary of treasury said earlier this week that he was prepared to go over the cliff, which i found shocking as the top economic official in an administration. if that is the strategy, it is a very, very dangerous one. lou: it is clear, the speaker made a clear, he believes that is precisely what the president wants to do and will do. as you say, it is stunning to watch the principal economic financial figures in the obama administration be leading a political negotiation rather than, if you will, minding over an economy filled with 23 million people unemployed all sorts of challenges at every corner from and he is now politician. it is stunning. i want to get your comments, if i made, on something that nancy pelosi said today, which reported at the top of
the president is slow walking our economy to the fiscal cliff. former reagan white house counsel, financial criis inquiry commission member peter wallace will join me here in just moments. let's take a look at tonight's "moneyline." the dow and s&p managing gins. the nasdaq weighed down by another ba day for apple and its investors. the dow up 81 points. s&p up four, the nasdaq fell leaven. just over 3 billion shares traded on the big board today. the dow up 1%, s&p slightly higher making three straight weeks of wins. the nasdaq down 1% for its first losing week of the past three. apple investors are having a rough time with the dow down. the stock down 9 percent this week. but even with that selling, the stock remains up 30% year-to-date. wall street analysts say much of the selling can be explained by investors looking to avoid possibly having to pay gains on the sale of that stock at a higher rate next year. others simply taking profits. financial stocks strog. today j.p. morgan chase led the weight. news that it is expanding the numbers of its branch offices. research shows consumes hav
. the -- the economy is going into recession in new year. lou: do you believe there is no way to avoid the fiscal cliff.
in the fiscal cliff issue. everybody is obsessed what happens because we're the biggest economy and what we do will affect everybody. everybody including sovereign well funds want to know what has happened. >> what do you tell them? >> i tell them it's unlikely a deal won't be reached. i don't know whether it's december 23 or 24 or 28. very unlikely a deal won't be reached. >> what about post january 1st? >> we're talking about a deal nine months of this fiscal year, we have nine months left of it. we're talking a down payment and have the next nine months and talking about a down payment to make it go away in terms of fiscal cliff for january 1 and still have a lot next year. >> you're as close to wall street guy washington insider, that's what carlyle is, what have you seen behind the scenes or conversations that has made you this optimistic? >> i talked to people in congress and people involved in negotiations and my belief is they know a deal has to be done and each side wants to posture themselves not to give away the things they shouldn't give away. i'm pretty sure they know a deal has t
to the fiscal cliff, this threatening of our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk or economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> so here's my sense, congressman mccarthy. why in the minds of republicans aren't they processing it this way? look, president, we'll give you what you want on rates. let them go up. but we have to get something in return. big cuts in the medicare program, and we're willing to make a deal is. that essentially the thinking of speaker boehner at this point? >> the president wants the rates to go up, that doesn't solve the problem and we don't want to be back here in another year or 10 years answering the same question. but right after the election, we sent a plan to the president where we gave revenues but looking for spending cuts. and he took three weeks to come back to us. he has gone on still on the campaign trail, still working through. but you have
than $600 billion in tax increases and spending cuts kick in. the fiscal cliff potentially sending the economy into recession. the fear of the cliff. is that putting a veil over your eyes and pretending you seeing good news that could make better trades for your portfolio? you need to see the forest for the trees. to help do that, liz saunders in a fox business exclusive, charles schwab's vice president and chief investment strategist. what is the biggest mistake that the investor is making right now as it pertains to navigating that very rocky fiscal cliff landscape? >> they are trying to trade around perceived outcomes. that is fairly treacherous. we don't get a sense that a lot of investors are doing that -- [talking over each other] liz: there were buying in on the dips because they are trading around he headlines. >> there's a lot of tax related strategy happening right now, many of which make a lot of sense, but i have asked the question of loss, what would you put money on a particular outcome? i wouldn't. that is a dangerous strategy. >> one scenario could be as damaging a
automatic tax increases and spending cuts will send the economy over the fiscal cliff, and around the capitol there's largely the sound of silence as the white house and congress try to work out a deal behind closed doors. the president has no public events on his schedule. and all through the house, not a creature was stirring except, that is, for john boehner, who emerged to gavel the house into session this afternoon after a week's recess with his trademark holiday cheer. >> washington has a spending problem. now, the president doesn't agree with our approach. he's got an obligation to put forward a plan that can pass both chambers of the congress because right now the american people have to be scratching their heads and wondering when is the president going to get serious? >> i'm sorry, i meant his trademark ba ham bug which he's been doling out by the sleigh load. >> there's a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. we have a debt problem that is out of control. we've got to cut spending. washington has got a spending problem. just more of the same. >> more of the same indeed. a
. >> this is in the progress report because thereis no progress to report. when it comes to the fiscal cliff that is turning our economy and jobs, the white hhuse is wasted another week. gerri: what do y say? we wasted another week. we seem to be getting nowhere, and now folks are saying the president is trying to entice us of the fiscal cliff. >> look, i think they're actuly some pretty strong incentives for the president to take the country over the fiscal cliff. if you lo at what the president's stance to gain if the country goes over the fiscal cliff, here are very clear and identifiable things. on the one hand the president could idenfy himself as a tax cutter. he could say -- on january 1st the president in terms of the country and say, now in favor of cutting these taxes that have been raised because we did not solve this before the fiscal cliff. he can turn and say to my want to restore some of this funding that my secretary ofefense and joint chiefs of staff told me i need to restore and can position himself as sort of the protector of u.s. national security. so there are som clear incentives to th
to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code, the president wants to raise tax rates. even if the president that the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we will continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. washington has a spending3 problem, not a revenue problem. if the president does not agree with our proposal, i believe he has an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own. we are ready and eager to talk to the president about such plan. >> you did speak with the president earlier this week, can you characterize that call. also, it has to be increases in rates for the wealthy or no deal. >> the phone call was pleasant, but more of the same. it is time for the president to be serious and come back with a counter offer. [inaudible question] >> the risk the president wants us to take, increasing tax rates will hit many small businesses that produce 60-70% of the new jobs in our country. that is the whole issue. [inaudible question] >> i think that is reckless talk. [inaudible question] >> listen, raising
. the longer the white house slow walks this discussion, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff, and the more american jobs are placed in jeopardy. >> good morning. the president has said on a daily basis that we should be passing a balanced plan. but what we hear from the president is continuing only discussion on one side of the ledger. it has always been about tax rate increases, and nothing about spending. and we insist, say, look, mr. president, let's talk about a balanced plan, but where are your specifics on the spending cuts? even his own advisers say that any kind of agreement that we come to has to deal with the prime drivers of our deficit, which is the spending, particularly the health care entitlement programs. so we ask the president to please sit down with us and be specific and let's get that balanced plan. you know, it's interesting that the senate has passed a bill that is a bill calling for increased revenues of $850 billion. the president continues to say, support that bill, pass that bill. well, how is that the case when he continues to say we also need $1.4
think. first, forget the fiscal cliff, because the economy is coming back. americans are feeling more optimistic about 2013 and if we play our cards right, we're going to see a new economic renaissance. td ameritrade recently surveyed folks on their outlook for the new year. 43% say they're downright optimistic about the economy and believe we're headed for a rebound. 45% are feeling good about their own finances, but we already know that things are starting to get better. look, we're adding jobs every month, consumer debt continues to shrink. stock markets are up. longer term, though. america will reap the rewards of its domestic energy boom and more oil and gas gets extracted. the drop in the price of natural gas is already helping utilities and factories compete. that's creating more american jobs. and there is more. housing will be the golden lining to the economic cloud that is hanging over this country. mortgage rates are at historic low and should stay that way for the next two years but home prices have seen their bottom and are heading back up. when they do, confidence goes u
the board spending cuts. here with the very latest on the fiscal cliff showdown and america's fragile economy is the former new york city mayor rudy giuliani. how are you? >> how are you, sean? good to see you. >> sean: i just like to learn from people that have done successful things, you took how many people off of welfare when you were mayor? >> 600,000. >> what was the deficit when you became mayor? >> $2.3 billion. >> sean: and the debt? >> staggering. >> 600,000 off welfare, and -- >> we did it by my taking a report that asked me to raise taxes and throw in the garbage. the report said you have to raise taxes across the board. said nothing about reducing spending. i said to myself -- i wasn't an economic expert then. i became one after being mayor of new york. i said this doesn't make sense. if i raise taxes now, i have to do it again in two years, then four years, because i'm losing the tax base. people will leave. i'll try something different. i'll try to lower taxes, lower spending. i can't lower taxes too much at the beginning, but just a little bit, lower spending. i lowere
to be any closer to a resolution on the fiscal cliff even though many are warning that the economy could face dire consequences if there is no agreement but one strategist says, why are you worrying about december 31st? that deadline isn't even the real fiscal cliff. david: that strategist is none other than peter schiff, ceo of europacific precious metals. friend of the show. peter, although i wish it was under better circumstances. you say the real cliff coming is bigger han the housing mess, bigger than the housing crisis we went through. it's the bond mess. specifically when the fed stops printing money to buy up treasurys all hell will break loose, right? >> well, and if it continues to print money it will be a bigger hell. if we avoid the fiscal cliff we end up throwing the dollar over the currency cliff because we send a message to the world america will never pay its bills. we'll keep borrowing money until the creditors cut us off. that is when interest rates skyrocket. the pressure on the fed and if the fed caves in to buy up all the bonds nobody wants we destroy the dollar. th
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to the fiscal cliff. >> president obama responded, showing republicans where they could find the details. >> it's not a mystery. we've seen this before. this is the document that contains the specific spending cuts. the speaker of the house sent us a proposal that was two pages long that included one sentence on revenue. the proposal here includes, i believe from pages 17 to 45, details on proposed spending cuts by the president, pages 17 to 45. i recommend them to you. >> so, at this point, a deal before christmas looking unlikely. as senate majority leader harry reid admitted yesterday. but in an interview with barbara walters, president obama predicted that republicans would eventually give in on taxes. >> the most important thing we can do is make sure the middle class taxes do not go up on january 1st, and i'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high-income individuals. >> prediction. are you going to be able to raise taxes, yes or no? >> oh, taxes are going to go up one way or another. >> oh, they are? >> and i think t
is reached on a fiscal cliff deal, that's a big if, serious problems with the economy will remain and it's time to ask the tough questions about the middle class. joining us now, lindsey piegza, economist with ftn financial. lindsey, as always thanks for being here. you say businesses and consumers will face hash realities next year regardless of what washington does on the fiscal cliff. what are those realities? >> right now everyone is very much focused getting a compromise done but even if we get the president's plan, even if we get the republican's plan very likely that shaves growth down to under 1% for the first half of the year. that is dismal outlook regardless whether or not we come to a compromise. that is much more positive outlook than falling off the cliff outright but still doesn't set us up for long-term growth. plus neither one of these proposes asks the tough questions of the middle class saying long term do we want to take on a bigger tax burden or do we want to cut the social programs? the conversation to me seems very disingenuous when we're talking about 100 trillion
to be 33%. the winner, the fiscal cliff, 35%. what are people saying about the fiscal cliff? we have people write in, and i believe that's what we'll look at next. we'll look at the probability of a u.s. recession. that has come up. in part because of the fiscal cliff concerns. it was 19% back in march. a high of 36%. so we're halfway between the low and the high pretty much. this is a 13-month high for the probability of recession. now we want to show you what people are saying about the fiscal cliff, allowing the economy to go over the cliff would be extremely reckless, says donnelly. they're going out to try to help the unemployment rate. wall street doesn't believe it's going to happen. they do believe it will help lower mortgage rates and the unemployment rate and not a lot of help expected for the stock market. melissa? >> steve, thanks for that. that's interesting stuff there. >> nothing like getting your blood pressure up. liesman testing you live on tv. >> what do you think? wrong, wrong. brought back bad memories, huh, carl? 2013 housing market outlook this morning, according to t
slow-walks this process the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. there is major business lobbyist out there telling us right now the discussions are focusing on process. how do to it. not necessarily substance. so there are no details on what these offers exactly state. they're not even really getting out on capitol hill right now. so we're still watching it to maintain. again you've got the exchange of partial offers at least coming out of the white house and from house republicans but they still remain fairly far apart. melissa: rich, you have been right in the heart of this story from the beginning. to you, does this feel like progress? what's your opinion? >> anything at this point feels like progress but they are still stuck on the major problems that have dogged them for the last couple of years basically, not just the last couple of weeks. problems with spending cuts. problems with entitlements for democrats. problems with tax revenue for republicans on the other side. there's no movement it seems towards that right now. but again, details are very, very thin on th
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of the fiscal cliff, we are going to have $270 billion in tax hikes that start effective january 1. thank you, obamacare. nancy pelosi has said that if you want to find out what's in it, just pass it. we are finding out and we are going to have a terrific group of people, including john cruz, the vice president of hsbc, who is the whistleblower on the $1.9 billion in fines if they just had to pay for money laundering along with middle eastern terrorists. mexican drug cartels, african dictators, all of the really nice people that they had no idea where problem. by the way, nobody going to jail will be taking that up. we will have coming up next. tracy: all right, "lou dobbs tonight" at 7:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. eastern. when we come back, how to beat the street. covering your assets with tips with picking winners on wall street. stay with us you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast, long lasting relief, use doctor recommended gaviscon®. only gaviscon® forms a protective barrier that helps block stomach acid from splashing up- relieving the pain quickly. try fast, long lasting gaviscon
. the mortgage deduction pieces per the fiscal cliff could throw a short-term wrinkle in there. domestic energy is a huge boom in the economy right now. there are some bright spots. the problem is to add them all up and it still does not come anywhere near what the consumer represents in the economy. i don't think it will be a drag on the economy for the ongoing deleveraging still necessary, income growthhfairly weak relatively slow job recovery, that these of the economy is still likely to be slow growth mode. tracy: a fiscal cliff is a drag on confidence whether you understand the implications of it or not, just hearing it is enough to make you want to hide under your pillow, right? what is your thought on this? consumers have not so much been whistling past the graveyard on the issue, only more recently, to the realization of what this could possibly mean for them ant also some positive to focus on which his housing and gasoline prices. businesses have been dealing with the uncertainty factor for many months now. the only potential good news is we might have front end loaded the business sid
on the fiscal cliff. when you are focused on uncertainty, what do you do, you do nothing. those are the major implementations for the economy. cheryl: i can hear the hesitancy in your voice. a lot of our guests are saying the same thing. they are afraid of what washington will do or maybe not do. your outlook is a bit more bullish than some of your colleagues. what are you saying in the second half of 2013 that others are not? >> on a very short-term basis, we have noticed there are a couple of things. the fiscal cliff. we cannot get out of the way of that. if you look at to the second half of 2013 that we can get some resolution, we may not like the total resolution, but if we can, you move past a period of uncertainty. three things have started in 2012 that could accelerate in 2013. housing is key. cheryl: it has done incredibly well this year. >> the second aspect is what is going on with the energy field, in terms of technology and energy less dependence for the u.s. the third factor is what is going on in manufacturing. you can talk about the creation of jobs in the u.s. economy. if you
-frank, with respect to where are our national economies going, where is the leadership? and we have the fiscal cliff in the united states. we're three weeks away from that. it's incomprehensible to me personally that we can still be facing that issue -- david: is a possible recession on the horizon? >> well, i hope not. i think that the ramifications of the fiscal cliff, um, will be important. i'm optimistic that we're going to get some leadership in washington that'll actually save us from having to go off that cliff or down that hill, if you will. but i think we are -- there's uncertainty. and whenever there's uncertainty, the market will have less volume in it. liz: tom kloet, good to see you. >> thanks for having me. liz: ceo of the tmx group. david: a u.s. plant right in the heart of canada. they don't realize it yet. [laughter] good to see you. >> thank you. david: well, is now the time to buy apple? a morningstar senior equity analyst thinks so and says some of the blame for the recent decline should fall on washington. why? find out why, coming next. liz: plus, choice hotels expanding its up
is while the president can permit the economy to fall over the fiscal cliff, or curb, whatever you want to call it, he can't allow us to default on our debt. that would, like, destroy the economy. that gives republicans a stronger hand or so they think. but really, think about that. here's how it would go. later this month, republicans would, by voting present, which everyone would think was a bit weird, permit the bush tax cuts to expire for income over $250,000. that would let president obama pocket $1 trillion in tax revenue and secure a win on his key priority in the talks. but they would do nothing else. at the end of the year, we would still go over the fiscal cliff. remember, the bush tax cuts are one of the at least stimulative policies in the negotiations. according to the economic policy institute, extending the middle class tax cuts would wipe out only about 11% of the austerity's economic impact. 11%. but all that other stuff, the payroll tax cut, the unemployment insurance, the sequester, all that, that would still be expiring. so come early next year, the economy would lik
will be responsible, but i will not becomnotbecome -- come comment e economy. i do not want us to go off the fiscal cliff, congress created in a bipartisan way this is the result of the last fiscal cliff. neil: both sides agreed. >> i voted against it, it was a bad idea, why create artificial crises to force action. neil: they did. >> now the country -- now they want to do it again, now let's hurt growth in economy, and cut a deal that hurts growth,o from a year from now we'll have a worse fiscal cliff. we have a 16 trillion-dollar debt. these tax increases do nothing to self, you have 200,000 less jobs next year for, that those who vote for that will be held responsible for that decision. neil: is it terrible public policy if you leave off the table. what accounts the majority of spending off the table. if you leave out medicare, and medicaid, and don't even pry to bridge up -- try to bring up social security, 8 democratic members and congressmen marked that, don't touch these entitlements, one of next. ♪ [ gine revs ] ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] the mercedes-benz winter ent back, with the perfec
. we'll be taking that u with the a-team here tonight. stay with us. >>> the fiscal cliff fiasco. the obama plan, the boehner plan, will either alter america's rising rate of spending or lessen the size our bloatedgornment? the answer in tonight's chalk talk. >>is the housing market really recovering? $17 trillion is riding on the answer. the president and ceo o citi mortgage joins us next. [beep] [indistinct chatter] [kids talking at once] [speaking foreign language] [heart beaeating] [heartbeat continues] [faint singing] [heartbeat, music playi loude ♪ i'm feeling better since you knome ♪ ♪ i was a lonely soul, but that's the old me... ♪ announcer: thisong was created with heartbeats of children ineed. find out how it can help frontline e health workers bring hope to millions of children at everybeatmatters.org. lou: new rorts show foreign investment is heingthe housg market slowly recover. citimortgage president and ceo sanjiv das joins us here in just moments to discuss thatnd much more when it comesto housing. in the money lineonight, investors waiting cautiously to
-team here tonight. stay with us. >>> the fiscal cliff fiasco. the obama plan, the boehner plan, will either alter america's rising rate of spending or lessen the size of our bloated government? the answer in tonight's chalk talk. >>> is the housing market really recovering? $17 trillion is riding on the answer. the president and ceo of citi mortgage joins us next. twins. i dn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligation b obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is eep. introducing the ishares core, budinglos for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 ilarge professisional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes investment objectis, risks, charges and expenses. ad and consider itarefully bere investing. ri includes possible ss of principal. lou: new reports show foreign investment is helping the housing market slowly recover. citimortgage president and ceo sanjiv das joins us here in just moments to discuss that and much more when it comes to housing. in the mo
to see in the u.s. economy. liz: are we wasting too much time on fiscal cliff discussion and the potential effect on our money, should we not be focusing on these other issues and somehow bulletproof our investments as it pertains to each one of these concerns. we talk about doubling up. >> we should make pay more attention to europe. the attention we're paying to the fiscal cliff is not actually productive. in fact, it is leading to polarization of positions that have to be negotiated in private, and the lesson here from washington, the better i like the fiscal cliff. liz: the talks were secret today. >> might notice the financial markets are not actually very volatile in response to the special fiscal cliff. we should let it go. -@something will be resolved evn if it is only postponement, which i suppose sinc into the mt likely outcome. liz: talk mother three hidden risks bubbling up. we'll put the him on the facebok page. thank you, it is an honor to have you here. do you have a facebook page? >> the volatility institute. >> one of her students will help you put togeth
.6% contraction in the economy because of manufacturers concerns about the fiscal cliff that's coming up. and the report also showed that if we go over the cliff, meaning if we just go over it in the first few days of next year, that we could have a 13% cumulative contraction in the gdp between now and 2015. and 6 million jobs lost. now, a lot of those will come from small and medium sized manufacturers who just aren't willing to take the risk, but i think you're talking to doug in a little bit and larger companies like caterpillar and doug is the incoming chair of the national association of manufacturers, companies like caterpillar rely on those supply chains. so they want to make sure that the small and medium sized manufacturers are just as healthy as the larger. >> jay, thank you. we appreciate your time this morning. >>> coming up, police arresting john mcafee. the details next. ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee
any probability we have a fiscal cliff, if we do, and negotiations brick down, then market i think will be way overpriced for the very difficult economy. we'll see in the first half of next year. lou: we might see it before the end of the year, if it is clear, this may be part of the game, they try to keep in am pickous to whether or not there will be a dial, that would be a slick portion of this negotiation. i do not know what to make of it. i do think this republicans are now incentivized to go over the cliff, and seek sequest raising sequestration in force. it gives republicans want they want, two-for-one spending cuts to tax hikes it gets intresting. >> it is, some of the commentary i've seen, suggestions that the president i talking about more x increases than spending cuts, that is -- >> 2 to 1. >> yeah contrary to the original agreement. lou: well imagine that. president turning things on its head, john silvio thank you. >> thank you. lou: and straightening us out. looking now at "new york times" bestseller list, i thought this week was really, newsworthy. topping hard cover
let our economy go over the fiscal cliff if a deal on higher tax rates for the wealthy is not reached? we're checking it out. back in a moment. [ male announcer ] research suggests cell health plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50+. it's easy to follow the progress you're making toward all your financial goals. a quick glance, and you can see if you're on track. when the conversation turns to knowing where you stand, turn to us. wells fargo advisors. >>> welcome back. this very public negotiation on the fiscal cliff still does not seem to be closing in on a deal. the white house out in campaign style events regularly, making multiple media appearances, kle including timothy geithner right here in 25 minutes. >> but would things be done faster if it was done privately? in his latest column, jeff goldfor a compares u.s. budget talks to merger proxy battles. jeff joins us to explain about that. plus, we have bob from jones day who
? the longer the white house slow walks this process the closer the economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> where are the revenues? where are the revenues? regardless of the cuts or changes of entitlements more is demanded in terms of what seniors would have to pay in to a medicare and what age that would happen. while the republicans refuse to touch one hair on the head of a the wealthiest people in our country. >> when it comes to taxes the top senate republicans said it was time for his party to give in and move on. >> what the president is trying to the achieve on the top two tax rates, you know, he can get by doing nothing. the law is certainly stacked in his favor. >> sharing the view a tack increase is all but inevitable. >> senator coburn is joining us now. you have said the tax rates are going up on the wealthiest 2% of a americans. it sounds like more republicans are coming around to your way of thinking. i understand you have been talking to republican colleagues about support ing this and insisting spending cuts. what level of support is there among your colleagues for a deal like tha
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